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Nicholas Weininger's avatar

Tangentially, this is a nice perspective on the varieties of parental experience. I love my son extremely dearly and am very glad to be a parent and to be his parent specifically -- but at no point in his life would thinking about him have been a cheat code for sparking the kind of uncomplicated joy you seem to say leads to jhana entry.

In fact on reflection I am not sure what thought *would* spark that purity of joy, despite having a very satisfying, meaningful, loving and loved, and comfortable life. This kind of dispositional variation may be an underrated barrier for those who don't have as successful an experience as yours.

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gwern's avatar

The lack of correlation is certainly a surprising initial result.

My kneejerk reactions would be: pooling the various measurements of meditation into a single latent variable might reveal a more meaningful correlation as these do sound very noisy; doesn't Jhourney have EEG equipment or other measurements which could be a more objective measurement of meditation experience?; n = 81 might just not be a big enough sample for such noisy measurements combined with such a short intervention (1 retreat), and a power analysis might show that the nulls here are no surprise at all; and maybe there could be some sort of selection bias where people interested in the Jhourney concept of 'let's build a machine to optimize jhanas' are those who regular meditation doesn't work for and so a different approach puts them on equal footing with newbies.

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